My choices are down to Shapton Glass (been very happy with the Shapton Glass 16,000 stone I have) or the Shapton Pro. They just work. Shapton Glass Stones are known for their exceptional quality, durability and ease of use. Unlike other waterstones, Shapton Glass Stones do not need to be soaked in water before use - simply wet the surface and begin honing your blade. Each stone is comprised of a 5mm thick glass backing plate fused to a 5mm thick stone and measures 2-3/4 W x 8-1/4L. I just started using my 16000 Shapton GlasStone, and am in total agreement with the fact that if you don't have a shaving sharp edge already these are not going to produce one. And like has been mentioned, The Shapton glass … The Shapton Glass Stones go up to grit 16,000 where the Naniwa Professional series has a 10,000 stone as their highest grit. We recommend purchasing, and using, the Shapton … I have been going straight from the 8000 Norton to the 16000 Shapton … Shapton … The result is very similar, so that will hardly be an argument. The finishing grits (16000 and 30000) of the Shapton stone system leave a polished surface free of the scratches creating a mirror finished, razor sharp edge. Ideal stones to purchase from the Shapton Glass line. I have not used the Pro stones – so would be VERY interested in any … A solution would be to sharpen on the Naniwa 10,000 and finish on the Shapton 16,000 … 500 extra thick 2000 16,000 FYI, I have all but the 10k and 30k and still only use the 500, 2000 and 16,000.